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Should Public Radio chase Younger Information Audiences?

Recently Walrus Research published a report about the aging of the public radio audience.

Is this aging good or bad?  That depends.  For information-oriented stations, it seems that this aging is a good thing, not a bad one.

Says the report:

The NPR news stations are also aging but at a slower rate
than classical or jazz stations – half a year older each year.
No doubt there is some impact from a cohort effect, as
educated Boomers have stuck with NPR news over the
years. But unlike the classical or jazz stations, the NPR
news stations have brought in more listeners.
In fact, the NPR news stations that we analyzed in this
study nearly doubled their audience from 1997 to 2009.

By contrast, the Jazz and Classical stations are aging at almost the rate of the US population and not growing audience.

This study looks at the composition of format audiences, not composition of the entire listening universe.  Thus the demographic shifts mask the demographic realities of the market as a whole. And those are shifting profoundly older.

As shown here, in 1990 40% of the US population was younger than 35 years old; by 2010, only a third will be younger than 35. In 2010, the majority of the US population will be 45 years and older, a change that represents a major turning point for the US population demographic.

Is it any wonder that format opportunities and ratings wins tend to skew older?

Agingamerica There has been talk over the years about creating younger-oriented versions of public radio tentpole programs.

The research I have done has clearly indicated that this is the wrong way to go and such efforts are likely to fail – as indeed they have generally done.

That doesn't mean there's not a market for information programs among younger audiences.  It simply means the way we define "information" must fit the definition of that audience, not the definition we associate with All Things Considered and Morning Edition.

It means the style and content must be stretched to fit an organic set of expectations unencumbered by the history of public radio news.

It means those who are the programming gatekeepers for public radio must be making their gatekeeping decisions according to a moving target of taste and appetite that has no roots in their professional experience.

It means recognizing that younger, newer audiences will be smaller ones that will grow over time.

It means acknowledging that older audiences will not necessarily like the content aimed for younger ears.

The mistake of public radio is to design younger-targeted news programming to be the same as Morning Edition and ATC – but younger.

That's like asking Lady Gaga to cover a Peggy Lee tune and expecting it to be a hit, assuming Lady GaGa would even be interested in covering it (which she would not).

The great strength of public radio is that it is where the program-makers live.  The Jerry Bruckheimers of radio are here (and if you just shuddered, then you are part of the problem).

I only wish we exercised that creative surge of program-making more often and gave more clearance to the worthiest experiments in the public radio sphere.

Jon Stewart is more popular among public radio listeners than the vast majority of public radio personalities.  Jon Stewart does a type of news show.  Jon Stewart reaches younger audiences.

One of my very favorite podcasts is Slate's Political Gabfest, a roundtable of prickly, personality-infused politics and perspective and debate.  It reaches exactly the kind of younger, college-educated crowd that public radio has coveted.  It sells out its occasional live events.  And, of course, it's not on public radio.

So should public radio news programs chase younger audiences?  Not necessarily.  But if we do, we should chase them their own way, not ours.

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  • Thanks Lisa.
    I think being obvious is a good thing. But trying too hard without the cred is like your dad dressing like your school chums.
  • I'm happy to report that I predicted that before it happened.
    That one worked out a bit better than my prediction about iPods never having radio.
    I think you're right that the station makes a difference, but it's also the CONTEXT that makes a difference, and the station is only part of that. If you make something clearly what it is then there's less dissonance.
  • George
    There was an attempt a couple years ago to create NPR shows that were a bit younger in approach and style, and as you predicted, they failed and were canceled. Part of the problem is they were SHOWS that aired on the same old stations. Part of what makes Jon Stewart work is he's NOT on CNN or MSNBC. He's on the channel that brought you South Park. That makes a difference. Jon tried his comedy in late night (admittedly a different type of show with different expectations) and he failed. What I'm saying (and perhasps we're saying the same thing) is it's not so much the shows as it is the environment.
  • Lisa
    Thanks, Mark. I think you're spot on. One of the reasons that Stewart has such a wonderful appeal to the younger public radio demographic is that he doesn't pander. He is what he is -- funny, smart, and assumes we have enough knowledge of the world to poke fun at it. I've noticed that several of the pub radio attempts to attract younger audiences of late have really tried too hard, and made it glaringly obvious that We Are After The Young Folk. The hipness of it all (the music, slang, the pace) is too much, and we leave.
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MRM President Mark Ramsey has worked with innumerable television and radio broadcasters over his career, including all the biggest names, from Clear Channel, CBS, Bonneville, Sirius XM...

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